Frequently Asked Questions

In a nutshell - Twenty5’s iPE solution is a project-based cost estimating and pricing add-on to SAP built using SAP Business Technology Platform (BTP) & SAP HANA. iPE combines the rich cost history from SAP ERP with the speed and power of SAP’s HANA DB to provide a responsive, intuitive, web-based user experience for proposal teams and cost estimators to quickly build complex proposals. These proposals typically range from millions to billions of $ in value, are put together by global teams working in many countries and currencies, and are based on projects covering ten of thousands of cost estimates spanning years of program delivery, for clients such as the US Govt. who require detailed “basis of estimates”, or a detailed accounting for each estimated cost and price. We like to use the term Project CPQ or configure, price & quote projects, to describe our application.

When customers and prospects request bids and proposals from companies running SAP, these requests for proposals can range from a list of relatively standard parts and services to a very large proposal requiring the bidder to create a project-plan with resources like people, material, tools, travel and other direct costs, scheduled over years to decades to cover the various phases of the proposed project. Larger proposals or cost estimates which require a project to schedule, manage, cost, and price each resource over time require an integrated solution for project-based pricing and estimating or “iPE” for short.

CPQ stands for configure, price and quotation and is typically an extension of a CRM application, whereby sales reps and client managers or account executives can quickly 'configure' a set of products or services for a client including sizing-inputs or options/features, 'price' it using a combination of catalog pricing, discounts, taxes and surcharges and special pricing terms like subscription pricing, outcome-based pricing or option/feature dependent pricing, and output a final 'quotation' to the customer. CPQ for companies who sell projects, like in Aerospace & Defense, Professional Services, Complex Manufacturing or Engineering & Construction, is called Project CPQ.

While Twenty5’s solution was originally conceived for Aerospace & Defense companies, it also addresses the vast majority of requirements for any project-based proposal costing and pricing such as High Tech, Engineering & Construction, Industrial Machinery & Equipment, and Professional Services projects in consulting, audit and tax, IT transformation, business process outsourcing, engineering and environment services. In addition, iPE also helps companies across all industries that plan and execute large internal projects, such as capital improvement projects or the construction of new factories, plant equipment or transportation and energy delivery infrastructure. Essentially if you have a need to cost out and possibly price projects worth more than $150K on a regular basis, then our tool can help.

The key executives who benefit the most from our Pricing and Estimating solution include:

- VP of Project Cost Control/Management

- VP of Business Development

- VP of Pricing & Estimating

Other significant influencers are the CFO, COO, consulting firm partners, Engagement/Client/Program Managers, and VPs of Engineering or Manufacturing. These roles are crucial as cost estimators from both engineering and manufacturing are typically involved in large proposal responses. While IT isn't the primary target, they also gain advantages such as SAP HANA facilitation, combined support with existing SAP resources, and a scalable, enterprise-grade architecture.

Twenty5’s iPE solution addresses the end-to-end process for building, costing and pricing of a project-based proposal or capital project request. Without iPE, responding to a large proposal involves lots of spreadsheets and emails going back and forth around global teams, under tight timelines, with a heavy reliance on tribal knowledge or “I remember Sidney did a similar project to this four years ago on the New York bid”.

Instead, iPE relies on a central, global cost model in HANA, with inputs from subject matter experts managed by workflow and powered by AI, to allow project-centric companies running on SAP to:

- Join-up Sales & Delivery with a single version of the truth in a central database

- Bid with confidence

- Streamline and simplify the proposal generation and approval process

- Drive best practices, re-use and limit bias

- Force issues to the surface early in the bid response process

- Understand uncertainty, manage risks and keep track of confidence

- Avoid reliance on lots of different databases, extracts or spreadsheets

- Achieve DFARS compliance (Section 252.215-7002 Cost Estimating System Requirements and 10 U.S. Code § 2306a, FAR 15.2 and Cost or pricing data: Truth in Negotiations act (TINA)

Twenty5’s solution works with any of SAP S/4HANA, SAP Suite on HANA, and SAP ECC. The only technology requirement is that iPE requires that the data which is used for cost estimating purposes (such as a view of purchase and production order history) is stored on a SAP HANA database for performance reasons. This can be achieved with a HANA sidecar running (e.g. if the customer is running ECC) similar to how BW on HANA can be deployed, or we can give deploy iPE using our cloud-based SAP BTP/HANA environment so you have nothing to install internally.

Yes, absolutely. iPE was co-innovated with a customer which is split 50% commercial and 50% defense. It is important because there are fundamental differences between the two segments - with government bids requiring more strict controls as well as capturing of details (BOEs or basis of estimate) behind each cost estimate to explain and justify how the costs were calculated, such as latest purchase order, closest quantity, etc.). On the other hand, commercial bids typically require more flexibility and less strict controls, such as the ability to change rates more freely, etc.

While DCAA/DCMA does not certify specific software applications, but rather the implementation of software tools and their usage. Twenty5’s solution meets all the key DFARS Section 252.215-7002 Cost Estimating System Requirements and 10 U.S. Code § 2306a - Cost or pricing data: truth in negotiations (TINA) as follows:

- Their workflow provides clear accountability for preparation, review and approval of each estimate, with adequate controls in place for management review and compliance verification as part of the configurable proposal response plan

- The source and estimating methods used for each cost estimate, such as which historical purchase order was used as the basis for a material cost estimate and are automatically tracked within the system. Manual adjustments to estimates are tracked with comments and change histories

- Estimating, costing and pricing techniques are built into how the application is configured and are consequently more consistent as compared to a manual or Excel-based approach

- Historical experience, whether in the form of historical purchase orders or vendor contracts, production order actual confirmations or hours booked to similar project tasks or WBS elements in the past, are strongly leveraged by the tool during cost estimating

- Duplicate costs, omissions, errors and costs which need to be changed due to new requirements or events (such as for example a new vendor quotation was received) can be marked and resolved in a timely manner with full audit trail, review and approval

- Updates to cost estimates can be tracked and relevant persons notified for review, approval and incorporation through the use of workflow and proposal version management

- Independent assessments including risk assessments, comparables, top down vs. bottom-up and sanity-checks can be carried out on the cost estimates at any time

- Proposals are generally compliant with solicitations through the use of requirements tracking and managing requirements vs. WBS or organizational break-downs

Twenty5’s application is by definition integrated with a customer’s existing management information systems including and especially SAP ERP. Our launch client, Cubic Corporation, had a very smooth certification of Twenty5's tool with DCAA/DCMA which resulted in no findings.

A basis of estimate (BOE) combines resource needs, costs and time with explanations and narrative to explain the calculations, assumptions and methods used to address the RFP requirements, define the tasks / schedule required and to determine the correct number and level of resources (labor, material, other direct costs) required to meet the requirements outlined in the RFP. The BOE covers non-recurring labor, non-recurring charges and recurring or quantity dependent labor and materials needed to deliver your proposal and is often based on reliable historical cost source data in additional to cost/price analyses and supplier quotations for key subcontractors contributing to your proposal (you generally want 80% of your proposal costs supported through current supplier contracts or quotes and labor estimates rooted in actuals). View a helpful checklist prior to submitting a Government proposal at the button below.

Twenty5’s solution is built from the ground up for handling global requirements.

Global Organization

Proposals can be built with your entire global organization contributing to each bid. Each organization can maintain its inputs using local resources, rates, costing sheets, and currencies. As the inputs are being rolled up into an overall bid, currencies and calendars are converted automatically.

Currency

iPE from Twenty5 supports multi-currency in a sophisticated manner where every proposal can be viewed in the customer’s currency, primary company currency, and/or source currency.

"Customer currency" is the currency in which the proposal will be sold in, "company currency" is the currency in which the company is evaluating the bid in, e.g. a US-based company will probably evaluate all their bids in USD, even though they are selling a program to for example a Canadian customer, and "source currency" is the currency in which the cost will be incurred. If the company is using Australian colleagues to build a piece of software, or they are buying some parts from Australia, they will pay them in AUD, even though the project is managed in the US. Retaining the source currency is important as when your customer builds a strategy for currency hedging they must understand cash-flow by each source currency.

iPE manages exchange rate conversions between all these currencies, including integration to SAP’s exchange rates, freezing of rates and handling hedging and currency fluctuation buffers.

Language

Currently, iPE is only available in English but the platform is enabled for easy translation, so Twenty5 will perform the translation as part of the implementation for any non-English speaking customers.

Twenty5 is able to support a 6-12 week “Pricing & Estimating Conference Room Pilot with an iPE prototype” for a fixed fee, which includes:

- Maturity assessment questionnaires

- Stakeholder interviews

- Data quality assessment

- Review of the your current tools & technology

- End state architecture design - Requirements/configuration discussions

- Data load templates to upload your company's sanitized SAP data for prototyping

- Prototype configuration (workflows, user roles, reports, etc.) to match you main requirements​

- Demonstrations and videos of your processes in iPE for internal communications

This prototype can be deployed and integrated with your SAP ERP system for a small additional cost (if you have a licensed SAP HANA DB platform available). Demonstrations, ad-hoc discussions and introductory education are free of charge as part of our normal customer acquisition cycle.

A typical implementation would last about 4-9 months and would address all the main pillars of people, processes, systems, and data.

People

Change Management & Training - ensuring alignment is in place between major stakeholders and ensuring sufficient Executive alignment and buy-in, Training for super users and end-users, Process documentation, and Communication.

Process

Establish Best Practices - find agreement within the organization how to best estimate certain costs, knowing that PMO’s will be responsible for program delivery against the estimated cost targets. As this solution is capable of estimating in lots of different ways, it is important to clearly document these processes and policies.

Sysytems & Technology

Deployment of Twenty5’s iPE solution either in the cloud or on-premise, on the customer’s main SAP HANA database or as a sidecar HANA database. Configuration of the various options within the tool including “plugging in” custom APIs to read cost and price data from external non-SAP sources such as legacy procurement systems.

Data

Technical Integration - though Twenty5 has standard interfaces established with SAP for the ~25 data objects shared with SAP ERP, there will always be some variations as well as non-SAP systems that feed data. Master data such as customers, suppliers, materials, and resources/resource groups should also be synchronized with the appropriate SAP or non-SAP source system. Customers can choose to convert historical proposals or not into the new system. While master data is always synchronized or converted, transaction data such as historical proposals are often left in their various legacy systems for referential purposes, thus simplifying data migration efforts.

In the case of a very large organization with a multi-stage roll-out, the 4-9 months refers to the time to the first go-live.

One of the major benefits of Twenty5’s solution is that it does NOT require any configuration changes to your existing SAP ERP system. It's a true add-on, designed to work seamlessly with your current SAP setup. Our iPE solution primarily integrates with ERP to read data like rates, BOMs, materials, customers, purchase orders, routings, and production orders. The processes that update data in SAP ERP, such as creating a program estimating planned project cost baseline, are minimal and can be customized based on your specific ERP configuration.

No, Twenty5's iPE solution is not limited to cloud deployment. It can be run as a cloud solution or deployed as an on-premise web solution. The software operates in any modern browser, with the main difference being the code delivery method. We support both deployment models. Additionally, the solution can be hosted in a secure cloud by providers like AWS GovCloud or SAP NS2, which is undergoing FEDRamp certification for SAP BTP & Twenty5.

Twenty5’s support is split into product support which is included in the subscription and implementation support which is provided on top normally by a third-party integrator.

Product Support

Twenty5 provides standard support for level 2-3 response, with SLA response-time agreements per each customer’s internal IT help desk policies. Product support including code fix and test, upgrades, and enhancements are included in Twenty5’s subscription or maintenance costs. Support tickets are not currently routed via OSS, rather each customer should provide Twenty5’s developers with remote access to their existing IT help desk ticket system.

Twenty5 has a single code-base and will design customer-requested enhancements as product-based enhancements, making such enhancements available to all clients at the same time. While cloud-based users of iPE will immediately benefit from such enhancements, on-premise clients of iPE can decide when to upgrade their applications to the latest version.

Implementation Services

In terms of services, Twenty5 is primarily a software company and is proactively working with other system integrators such as PWC, Delaware, SAP consulting, and Accenture to do the bulk of the implementation work. Twenty5 will perform or lead pilot/lighthouse implementations such as new industries or use-cases, and will provide a quality assurance service during implementations led by other system integrators, to ensure the successful delivery of the project.